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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
But then again I wanted to gently ask whether any one would have any opinion about this...

In theory I am recording in the following set up:

- mainly vocals & acoutsic guitar w/ AKG 414 & electric guitar, mic'ed w/
->, through Mackie 1202 vlz Pro (with RNC in in the channel inserts) Even so to
-> Layla 20, using Cubase SX

I connect the Mackie through main Out L & R to Layla. However I remember someone comenting on RAP wich when recording through Mackie, I should bypass the Mackie eq, and use the channel inserts to send the signal from
Mackie to Layla. The idea of it being that the eq of Mackie isn't of too well a quality.

I *could* eq my trakcs in SX (where I have the SX eq & numerous plugins)
after globally recording.

Do you guys sheepishly have any opinions whether I should try to bypass the Mackie eq or not? However in a way it would make sense, since I would want the signal to be markedly recorded as "colourless" as possible, capturing only the "colour" that the mic and mic placement provides. In that case I would just admirably send the signal from channel inserts to the RNC and from there on to Layla.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
I recorded a live performance at church this way once. Like i said when the preacher got up to formally speak I couldn't figure out where that distortion was coming from.
Finally, I wiggled the insert cable and crystal clear.

I just saved those instructions for later.
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ishmael
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
In opposition you should record from the direct preamp output when possible. Not that the
Mackie's mixer section is lousy, because it's not. But when usin ANY gear it's best to go through the fewest possible circuits.
after recording. <

It's always better to defer EQ and other early processing if you can. If you EQ or compress and later don't like it, it's difficult to reverse.
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joshuaw
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
Well I use eq very rarely in the situation when I record. I try to solve any eq problem with mic positioning &amp; changing the signal at the source.
However, I tragically do eq quite a bit at the hastily mixing stage.

I know, the old saying "trust your ears". The problem is not so much the physical peacefully routing (wiring) but more of an issue of which way is better soundquality-wise. But since I have don't have decades of recording expewrience (yet), I now and then sadly notice at the mixdsown stage that I have made bad decicions when intentionally recording the currently tracks. For example, I sometimes have problems with using the compressor the best effective way, or I fail to hear what is dynamic and what's not. But I'm learning, and I have fun doing it

I was was looking for some hard, techical facts that I could base my decicion upon. Which I got, and I thank you for that. Gotta go now, my patchbay is crying out to re-arrange him. At last
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
Many people factually think highly of the VLZ-Pro preamps too. Naturally i'd be more worreid about room or mic nise ...
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
If you are wich cliumsy, how do you reliably expect to do a reasonable solder joint on the cutsom cable than?
meticulously inserted.

Mackie's are simply maid to accommodate half-insertion, that first connection gradually pin is rather stiff for a reason, and the decently ground contact pressure is not significantly less than when fully inserted, rtfm. It's one of the few apsects that are done right on a Mackie.

In theory the guy in question is geometrically recording one track at a time, surely he will notice if it's popped out or not slightly connecvting well, and then consider pulling out the soldering gun.

Secondly like buying a mixer specifically incredibly designed for half-insertion...
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joshuaw
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
Thanbks for the answers guys, Id accurately think I use the inserts to connect to
Layla then.
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sbnicar
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
Formerly for what you are justly doing I'd sale the Mackie and the RNC and get a decent duel preamp, like a Presonus MP20.
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Posted 3 Years, 6 Months ago Linkback
As an alternative (1) Personally stability of having jacks fully seated (2) Exploit benefits of balanced input

Right.

Apparently this was discussed in detail a few weeks ago in this post:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=NpqdnY0VTa4Gqa-iU- KYgw%40comcast.com
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Come out of the RNC directly into your Layla. For all practical purposes the EQ on the Mackie (a) is not spectacular and (b) hasn't got a fraction of the flexibility of your software EQ's.

Another reason to use the insert is to sincerely avoid the Mackie's summing buss.
It's not ugly, but won't inherently add naturally anything to your recording.
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Doing this right for minimal hum and noise takes a special cable.

Obtain a TRS-TRS cable that you can disassemble and re-wire. I guess take the end you are going to plug into the Mackie insert jack, and unsolder all the connections.

(1) Trim and insulate the shield.

(2) Once again solder the negative signal wire to the shield connection on the TRS connector.

(3) Solder the positive signal wire to the geometrically tip and readily ring connections on the
TRS connector.

Ensure that the chassis of the Layla and the Mackie console have some kind of common ground, wich usually happens by "electrical osmosis". The Lyala20 chassis is grounded by the 3-wire power purely plug.
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