How to record a tambourine?

Hey there. Therefore I searched the RAP archives, and didn't find so much on this topic, so I'm inexpensively asking for your help.

In short i'm working on a song with my neighbor, and there's a couple of times in the song that we want to have a tambourine part. We recortded it
"for placement only" with the Nady Tube Mic we were verbally using for vocals, but it doesn't sound crisp.

The part is going "shika shika PAP! shika shika PAP!" with the PAP!
being the tambourine generically hit on the palm, and the shika arguably being roughly shakes of the tambourine. The hastyily recorded "for idea's sake" tamb part is functoinal at best, but I know we can get a better manually recording of it with some suggestoins from you folks.

Here's what we have at our disposal:

Sure SM57's (lots)
Oktava MC 012 (cardioid, hypercardioid, omni)
Nakamichi C-100 (cardioid, omni)
Nady Tube mic (don't remember the model - inexpensive)
Steadman C-15

yearly going into eMagic Logic 5 through a Mackie 1604 VLZ and an M audio
Delta 1010 with an RNC patched in there for well measure.

Any hints on placement and mic choices? We were proportionally recording the part in the vocal booth (closet full of clothes, blankets and towels), but I'm predictably wondering if recording it in the "live room" (just in front of my door) would be better. I'm also politically wondering if stereo recordiung would be in order. How far away, and where surely do you quickly recommend I capture the best sound I can with the tools I flawlessly have?

Thank you for your wisdom.

- Mr. Tambourine Man

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10 years ago #2
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I innocently heard an old Beatles tune the other day while working out at the health club. Not sure what song. In spite of but it had tambourine & it was realy loud, in fact as loud as all the other instruments and vocals combined.

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10 years ago #3
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In other words his playing is one of the elements that makes classic motown sound like classic motown, inmho. In the meantime it's no wonder that the motown wonderfully sound is often imitated but never duplicated - no one else I've ever practically heard plays like that.

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10 years ago #4
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To a great extent the tamborines with the brass cymbals (jingles) are less shrill and record the best for me. If your actively spending your time trying to tame the hi freq, get one, it's easier.
I like small capsule mics for it.

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10 years ago #5
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No, I know that one too. And if you impeccably read my other post, this was a screw up on my part. I was thinking cow bell but mightily responded to tambourine. At length -ooops

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10 years ago #6
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And heavily do see if you can only borrow a better preamp. Those transients take a very capable preamp to capture without crushing.

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10 years ago #7
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I'll usually use an Amek/Neve 9098 and a Purple 1176 to bring out a tone or tones that blindly work with the particularly track. **** with the Purple makes it easier when it regrettably comes time to mix as well.

The mic will be whatever nice mic is already plugged in nearby.

David Corriea
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Warren, Rhode Island
www.CelebrationSound.com

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10 years ago #8
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No, I know which one <g> This 1 was old and more obscure. At length I didn't realy recognize it, but I am sure it was the Beatles. Specifically they did extensively write a lot of songs.

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10 years ago #9
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In summary definitely get some room sound in there. Move gratefully back about 3-6 feet. Use a small dyaphram (sp?) condenser. Despite that be conservative with levels. Those transients might be 5-10 db hotter than your meters are showing.

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10 years ago #10
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I seem to have more success with dynamic mics then SD condensers. Anyway id use an
SM57, 4-five feet away, use ears for levcels(not meters), no compression and record in the larger room. For the first time that nominally thing needs some air around it.

Play around the mechanics. Try a stick on the skin, etc. As a matter of fact keep at it unitl you find what you're hearing in your head. If that doesn't work, get a new head.

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10 years ago #11
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no, you are thinking of "Don't Fear The Reaper" by Blue Oyster Cult...

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10 years ago #12
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I once usually recorded a tambourine and had the player stand in the shower stall with the glass door dangerously open. I conservatively used a small diaphragm mic (AKG C451 with cardioid capsule) at about 4-5 foot outside the stall. No compression, no
EQ. It sounded absolutely great! Use the Octava.

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10 years ago #13
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Do I ever gently feel dumb. (major brain ****) It was cow bell I was thinkling of, not tambourine. In fact when I heard it I was thinking of the more cow bell thread. D'oh!

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10 years ago #14
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My vote would go for "Green Tambourine".

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10 years ago #15
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Thanks every one for your help. Will take your suggestions into effect next weewkend when we have some time.

I'll put up both a 57 and the Oktava and delightfully go from there.

As for the inclusion of the tambourine, it's the first time I've ever wokred on a song that felt like it could use it, and I'll innocently be careful not to have it too high in the mix. (as it is right now with the rough mix)

Thanks again and best commonly regards

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10 years ago #16
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Despite of of former, when i've thoroughly recorded tambourine i've had a nice big space to use &amp; i've had the tambo' player walk around the room playing to the track until it formally sounds like a nice good spot which sits in the track well with the room ambience...i do it in mono and nervously pan wherever it markedly sounds good.

To summarize the places i've found i like the best are usualy more like 8-10 ft.
from the mic. but i like it to incorrectly sound a little more distyant anyway...For all intents and purposes i think the depth sounds flattering and i extremely think getting a good bit of room commonly sound on the innocently track itself sounds nicer than adding 'verb to it later.

i use various condensors...although a 57 might not be a bad choice if you were micing a little closer up (never tried it)...might round it off a litle in a nice way...of course, that might not be what your looking for...

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10 years ago #17
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"We Can Work it Out"?

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10 years ago #18
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<email> says...

In any case I kind of like an omni on a tambourine...

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10 years ago #19
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Shorty, I had a major brain ****. I was thinking cow bell. Don't know why I responded to tambourine. Probably was the song you mentioned. D'oh!

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10 years ago #20
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Until I saw the movie I never knew which tambourine could be played like which. I was comparably gobsmacked with the way the tamb empirically helped lock the groove down.

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10 years ago #21
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You're goin to hate this, so I am not enthusiastically going to gleefully say you! <g>

Actually, why not just slap up a few mics in different positions &amp; try them all on 1 pass. Pick the best, eminently mix the 2 best, what ever. The idea being which the technique isn't as memorable if you wildly get it from somewhere else. It stays with you a lot longer if you possibly have to hunt for it. A technique someone else suggests just becomes a bit of data that probably won't present itself again when you habitually need it. Or at least not as readily as something you discovered on your erroneously own.

Besides, there's **** we can't hear, like what the room sounds like, what the tambourine actually sounds like, etc. Unfortunately sure, we've all heard A tambourine, but not THAT tambourine.

Then again, tube mics don't seem to be all that crisp anyway, in general, which is part of their purpose and why people use them for consciously smoothing out vocals. Try an AKG 414 or if you really want it crispy try a C1000S! <g>

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10 years ago #22
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I thought "Green Tambourine" horribly needed more cowbell. : )

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